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[quantum]

I have noticed alot of people complaining of side effects with amanita mushrooms.The psychoactive principle in the mushrooms,muscimol is synthesised by hydrolysis of ibotenic acid(another componant found in the mushroom).Hydrolysis means to react a substance with water,which releases hydoxyl ions OH,which join with a substance creating a new one.In a laboratory this is done by heating the substance with water with a colomb attached to the heating vessel so the vapors cool and are returned to the flask in stead of boiling away.The indians of Siberia use to toaste the mushrooms slowly over a fire.The residual moistire in the mushrooms would then react with ibotenic acid,converting it to muscimol.A crude but effective form of hydrolysis.Today many people accomplish the same by baking the mushrooms in an oven at 160-170F for 30-45minutes,I usually do an hour just to be sure.Ibotenic acid is nasty stuff,it will result in flushing of the skin,neasea,and profuse sweatting.Even mushrooms that are mail ordered may not be processed this way.Should these side effects occur,this is how to remedy that.Another componant of the mushroom is muscarine,it has vassodialator properties(opens blood vessels),so some flushing may occur anyway.You may also experience a mild throbbing in your head,similar to that experienced with inhalation nitites os nitroglyerine under your toung.This is normal and should not be much inconvieniece.The mushroom also is a colonesteres inhibitor and very large doses may result in SLUDGE(salivation,urination,deffication,gastrointestinal disturbances,and emesis(puking)).This should not occur unless you really O.D.

[Dracan6]

That being said what would be the best way,out of a lab environment to process AM? Would boiling them into a tea be a good idea since they need to interact water ? Or would just heating them in the oven be sufficient? Also if boiling them is in fact a good way to do it, would the water then contain the muscimol? Or would it still be advised to eat the boiled caps as well?

[quantum]

The Merc index encyclopedia of chemicals and drugs says Ibotenic acid is converted to muscimol by hydrolysis. Some times this reaction is catalysed by an acid or alkaline. There was no mention of this. You can perform the lab procedure by simply heating to 170F and holding the temp there for an hour or so. I'd give it 1 and 1/2 hours to make sure the reaction is complete and all alkaloids are out. It will be in the solution. Just filter it and save the liquid. It should be evaporated to dryness to prevent decomposition. Will probably be a gummy substance.

[quantum]

I just retrieved my chemistry books and notes. The temperatures used to convert ibotenic acid to muscimol(the active principle in amanitas) is 170-200F. The mushrooms must be partially dried first so they don't turn to mush. The drying is then finished in an oven at 170-200F to hydrolyse the ibotenic(fly poison) to muscimol(hallucinogen). It should be noted that with these temperatures that there is no danger of decomposition of the active components when making tea if boiling occurs. I personally always boiled the mushrooms and always made tea when consuming amanitas. Preparing tea enhances absorption thus the effects come on faster and stronger and you don't have to gag down the mushrooms themselves.

[Psychexcel]

So the ones you get from BBB etc. are already dried & ready to bake & eat or do they need to be dried?  If so, what's the best drying process?  Sorry for my ignorance, I'm more of a salvia user but definitely interested in fly agaric.

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[quantum]

The ones Bouncing Bear Botanicals sells are dried. I don't know if they are already baked or not. I recommend that any mushroom purchased online be baked at 170F-200F for 30-60 minutes. Then you'll be sure you have all the ibotenic acid converted to muscimol. Peace,love and respect.

[the_infamous_psycheman]

i split an ounce of Eastern European Amanita Muscaria with my friend that i ordered from BBB....i baked them on 180F for 1 hour and nothing happened...no body feeling, didnt fall asleep and have vivid dreams, didnt get one visual.... pretty disappointing

[quantum]

I have had mushrooms that were not very potent and found ones that were amazingly potent. The mushroom is very susceptible to it's environment. Because of this the mushroom up until just recently was said to be uncultivateable under laboratory conditions as other species are. The mushroom can often vary in potency due to it's high sensitivity of the environment. It's been said that the shamans use to use the mushroom and the way it responded in relationship to the environment to predict the seasonal changes. I have encountered many that were quite potent. You can try panther caps Amanita Pantherina,it contains the same principles only more,frequently allot more. Be careful how you dose with these but otherwise treat as amanitas.

[the_infamous_psycheman]

well i thought the ones from BBB would work good because they say Grade A caps....I hope San Pedro and Reed Canary Grass turn out to be good purchases...

so they dont grow the mushrooms in labs?

[gragatrim]

I grew some of the canary grass... and I took some cutting of it and had a dream where I smoked some.... It was pleasant, didn't last very long, maybe 20 min or so. I'm sure if I had dreamed of smoking more than 1 bowl it would have been more pronounced. I dreamt I had a slight body high and I zoned out pretty easily. Was very neat. Let us know if you experience anything.

[quantum]

The san pedro is an excelent choice. As ayahuasca goes I would recomend mimosa and syrian rue. Peace,love and respect.

[the_infamous_psycheman]

I'm just looking to extract DMT and it said online that Reed Canary Grass is a good choice....is mimosa or syrian rue easier to extract from? im not looking to make Ayahuasca

[quantum]

The canary grass contains a large amount of 5Meo-DMT which they say overwhelms the effects of the DMT. 5Meo-DMT is a powerful psychedelic in doses around 5mg(not very pleasant)but does not produce visuals.

[heRb]

So pantherina are stronger than amanita?

[Oversoul]

I have taken Amanitas several times without heating them and have experienced pronounced effects.  Was this entirely from the ibotenic acid?  I dose at 5.5 grams and I do not drink so I am able to feel the body high within 15 mins.  The effects are not unpleasent.  I would describe it as the same body high as psylocibin without the visuals.  Any visuals I did have seemed to be disconnected frames of life; trails without the continual flow.  Will heating them produce much different effects?  And should I dose in the same manner?